Flash Poll: Ryan Pick Solidifies Ticket Differences, California Democrats and Republicans Say

In a Patch survey, Republican activists lauded Paul Ryan for his fiscal conservatism and brainpower, while Democrats said the choice could help the Obama campaign.

California Democratic insiders are crowing about Mitt Romney’s choice of U.S. Rep. Paul Ryan as his running mate, saying the pick helps the Obama campaign, according to a Patch snap poll conducted over the weekend.

Republicans, meanwhile, said adding Ryan to the ticket could refocus the presidential campaign on economic issues and sway undecided voters — though not enough to turn the tide in true-blue California, some said.

Patch sent survey questions to 79 Republican and 63 Democratic party activists and elected officials within 48 hours of Romney’s announcement. Twenty-one Democrats and 21 Republicans responded.

More than three-quarters of Democratic respondents said Romney’s choice of Ryan — the chairman of the House Budget Committee and a strong advocate for cutting taxes and domestic spending — would galvanize California Democrats.

The pick “cements the image of Romney as ideologically committed to dismantling public support for middle class needs (education, health, broad based employment),” one Democrat wrote.

Eighty-one percent of Democrats strongly or somewhat agreed that Ryan’s presence on the GOP ticket would help President Obama win senior citizens’ votes in California, while 90 percent agreed with the statement: "Now that Ryan is on the ticket, Democrats can win by running against Ryan's existing budget plans and particularly his proposal for Medicare."

Republicans: Choice Will Energize GOP Base

Republicans who responded to the unscientific survey cited Ryan’s fiscal conservatism and ability to appeal to the GOP base as strong selling points.

The pick “shows Romney is serious about addressing fiscal and economic issues,” one Republican wrote.

“It provides a theme for the Romney campaign that didn't exist before,” added another. “It also hopefully moves the dialogue away from Romney's personal finances and experiences at Bain Capital.”

Forty-eight percent of Republicans agreed that Ryan could help win over California’s undecided voters, while 43 percent disagreed and 10 percent were neutral.

“It will definitely energize the GOP base, but him on the ticket doesn't suddenly put California in play,” one insider commented.

California hasn't gone for a Republican presidential candidate since favoring George H. W. Bush over Michael Dukakis in 1988

Regardless of California’s fate, more than three-quarters of Republicans disagreed that the Democrats could win nationally by attacking Ryan’s budget plans, while only 10 percent agreed. And some even expressed hope that Californians could learn from the VP pick’s tough talk on budgeting.

“The pick of Ryan will help educate voters in California about the importance of limited government and how we cannot spend our way into prosperity,” wrote one Republican.

Insiders from both parties characterized Ryan as smart and charismatic.

“Whether or not someone agrees with his politics, the Paul Ryan VP candidacy provides a worthy adversary to the Obama-Biden campaign and a clear distinction between the two tickets,” one Democrat wrote.

Patch’s Red and Blue California Surveys

Our surveys are not a scientific random sample of any larger population but rather an effort to listen to a swath of influential local Republican and Democratic activists, party leaders and elected officials in California. All of these individuals have agreed to participate in the surveys, although not all responded to this weekend's questions.

Patch will be conducting Red California and Blue California surveys throughout 2012 in hopes of determining the true sentiment of conservatives and liberals on the ground in California. If you are an activist, party leader or elected official and would like to take part in weekly surveys that last just a few minutes, please email Sandra.Oshiro@Patch.com.

Red California Survey roster: Richard Adams (Studio City Neighborhood Council safety chief); Gary Aminoff (San Fernando Valley Republicans president); Michael Antonovich (Los Angeles County supervisor); Steve Baric (California Republican Party vice chair); Tony Beall (Rancho Santa Margarita City Council member); Susan Blau (Studio City political activist); Dion Bracco (Gilroy Council member, mayoral candidate); Daniel M. Brown (San Francisco GOP Central Committee member); Sue Caro (County GOP chairwoman); Scott Carpenter (Orange County political blogger); Tamara Colbert (Tea Party member); John Colbert (Former Republican candidate for Congress); Dylan Conroy (Greater Toluca Lake Neighborhood Council representative); Irene DeBlasio (Republican activist); Steve Detrick (Elk Grove City Council member) Ben DiBenedetto (Studio City Neighborhood Council board member); Jane Diehl (Redondo Beach school board member); Chip Dykes (Oceanside City Council candidate); Laura Emdee (Redondo Beach school board member); Heidi Gallegos (Rowland Unified School District Board member); Andrew Gayner Carmichael (Patch blogger); Mike Gin (Redondo Beach mayor); Gil Gonzalez (State Senate candidate); David Hall (Mt. San Antonio College Board trustee); Alex Keledjian (La Canada Flintridge Young Republicans president); Ernest Koeppen (La Canada Flintridge resident); Becky Kolberg (Contra Costa GOP chair); Bob Kowell (Murrieta-Temecula Republican Assembly president); Greg Krikorian (State Assembly candidate); Jim Light (Balanced-growth advocate); Patrice Lynes (Activist); Morgan Martinez (former governor aide); Larry Masuoka (San Juan Unified School District Board member); Brad McGirr (Rancho Santa Margarita planning commissioner) Gina McNelley (Capistrano Valley Republican Women Federated member) Bridget Melson (East Bay Tea Party chair); Mark Meuser (State Senate candidate); Nathan Mintz (Former AD66 candidate); Larry Molton (California GOP member); Roger Niello (Sacramento County Chamber of Commerce president); Gayle Pacheco (Republican Women Federated member); Chris Pareja (Congressional candidate); Al Phillips (State Assembly candidate); Al Restivo (Former La Canada Republicans Club president); Matt Rexroad (Yolo County supervisor); Elizabeth Sanford (political consultant); Scott Schmidt (Former LA Chapter Log Cabin Republicans president); Howard Schmidt (Chief of staff for Sacramento County supervisor); Nick Shih (Activist); Suzanne St. John (Activist); Mary Su (Walnut mayor); Gino Sund (Altadena Town Council member); Peter Tateishi (State Assembly candidate); Brad Torgan (LA Chapter Log Cabin Republicans president); Steve Vaus (City budget review committee member); Bob Walters (Former San Juan Unified School Board member); John Webb (Businessman).

Blue California roster: Armando Gomez (city councilman); Anita Avrick (school board member); Michael Barber (supervisor); Reginald Bronner (assembly candidate); Kathy Bisbee (CMAP executive director); Jennifer Browning (campaign volunteer); David Burruto (county party chair); Ralph Carhart (recreation and parks district board member); Cat Tucker (mayor pro tempore); Nancy Chaires (planning commissioner); Jay Chen (congressional candidate); Norman Chramoff (party member); Ken Cooley (city councilman); Joice Corridori (political activist); Payne Domingo (school board trustee); Don Helverson (teacher); James Donnelly (Democratic Club president); John Duran (city councilman); Pablo Espinoza (media director); Lucas Frerichs (city councilman); Gary Blenner (teacher); Gary Giacomo (Democratic Club member); Joanne Gifford (DNC delegate); Alan Haskvitz (teacher); Lindsey Horvath (city council member); Howard Hwang (party member) Ilona Saari (author); Juliana Inman (city council member); Jeff Kravitz (attorney); John Walker (neighborhood council president); Sarah Johnson (community activist); Jessie Kallman (Democratic Club executive director); Michael Kapp (political activist); Ro Khanna (former Obama administration official); Kris Kingdon (former chamber executive director); Karen Knecht (Democratic Club member); Keith LaMar (activist); Kristina Lawson (city council member); Linda Rubin (party member); Todd Loewenstein (school board member); Mary Ann Mancuso (party member); Marc Perkel (church founder); Marla Hart (party member); Marsha Grilli (school board member); Jennifer Mason Wolfe (teacher); Michelle Garcia (party member); Richard M. Mathews (LACDP vice-chair, Region 1); Gary Miller (county party central committee member); Katrina Morales (activist); Harry Munns (harbor commissioner); Mark Nielsen (former mayor); Don Nottoli (supervisor); Peter Arellano (council member); Jeffrey Prang (mayor); Diana Prola (school board member); Kish Rajan (city council member); Tony Santos (former mayor); Tim Sbranti (mayor); Jane Schafer-Kramer (labor union activist); Bob Schelen (county party chair); Darren Suen (former city council candidate); Joe Terry (talk show host); Robin Torello (Democrat Club chairwoman); James Tsai (party member); Mark van Gorder (supervisor candidate); Vince Monroy (communications director); Jill Wain Meniatis (Democratic Club member); Lee Walkup (party member); Sheila Young (former mayor); Laurence Zakson (convention delegate)

Sandra Oshiro contributed to this report.

What do you think about Mitt Romney's choice of a running mate? Tell us in the comments.

Renae Wilber August 25, 2012 at 05:03 AM
Leah...I love your links. :)
W August 25, 2012 at 05:26 AM
Why are you justifying your behavior? You are a low class human who begins public conversations with what is wrong with other people who can't or won't defend themselves. You have only shown yourself a vapid bully with that rabid tinge of hate.
Chuck Harding August 25, 2012 at 07:19 AM
Sometimes, Renae, my fingers cannot keep up with my thinking, so typos are made. I'm sure you have NEVER made a typo when responding to comments on the Patch, right, because, in YOUR mind, you are PERFECT. Everyone else are just bums, idiots, morons, low lifes, BITTER KLINGERS, etc etc etc.
James Nelson August 25, 2012 at 07:22 AM
It's because of you lot that I hate Politics.... You pricks ruined it for me! Patch really needs to start offering a button that makes certain Topics I could give two shits about from appearing on the front page.
L Leonard August 25, 2012 at 09:39 AM
I missed this. Thank you Beau for the breakdown. People from two different political camps ought to be able to have a political discussion without such nastiness. I became uncomfortable reading much of it due to it's being full of one sided attacks including many that were personal. The conversation should have ended before it did as the toxins you feel and see just reading it are poison to those that spread it. Renee, You in particular are the most foul. There is no place in these discussions for this behavior and I'm sure others were offended reading it just as I was. Choose words more carefully as you saw others do. The venom was easy to identify given the anger you approachd this with. Your message and your delivery need some tweaking. Summer, Defending a US Congressman for using a 17 year old boy in a public facility for sexual gradification is being too loyal to your party. This was not a love story. This is a sexual assault of a child and there is no way to sugar coat it like you tried. It's ugly, it's wrong, and you should be condemning it, not trying the ole lipstick on a pig thing.You'll be in good company condemning it.Obama has. I am a left leaning independent and proud of it. I have decided to vote Obama/Biden just as I did in the last election but had hoped for a Obama/MRS Clinton ticket. Let us stick together to get the message across instead of acting in ways that makes all of us look bad. Leave that for the other guys. They are good at it.
Beau Hunk August 25, 2012 at 02:15 PM
So they tell me... ;-)
Rich Buckley August 25, 2012 at 02:26 PM
I could be wrong of course but they say it's okay to use a fake ID when you feel the need, except on entry to the here-after. I'm going with that for now.
Rich Buckley August 25, 2012 at 02:33 PM
WC-Independent, Agreed. Right on! Especially true when the pubic book keeping is so esoteric. Maybe there is a better way: http://tinyurl.com/3vj6ka6
Ryan Sherman August 25, 2012 at 04:09 PM
Tim, move.
Ryan Sherman August 25, 2012 at 04:11 PM
Fred, move
Ryan Sherman August 25, 2012 at 04:14 PM
Hilarious. All you pissed off right wingnuts must have damaged your keyboards slamming your fingers. Did you hurt your fingernails also? If you don't like it here-move.
Renae Wilber August 25, 2012 at 04:46 PM
It's because we live in a great Country that we have the freedom to debate, contemplate, voice our opinions, agree, become outraged, and discuss politics. If you don't like it, move to China.
Renae Wilber August 25, 2012 at 05:11 PM
Let me break it down in simpler terms for you Chuck (i.e. dumb it down)...there was irony in the fact that you admonished me for my reading comprehension while simultaneously misspelling my name. I'm sorry if you aren't able to see the irony in that.
Renae Wilber August 25, 2012 at 05:14 PM
What a great last name Beau. As for me, I'm just a pig in a story book. LOL
Albert Rubio August 25, 2012 at 05:16 PM
Things get out of hand for lack of a trustworthy moderator. Without one, the quality of online discussion is often low unless the dominant speakers exercise personal discipline. This is somewhat rare and can't reasonably be expected often. There are gross improprieties on each side so I find it curious when some castigate one side and not the other. There are also things never to do (and good practices) in argument or debate which I was thinking of writing up as an article sometime.
W August 25, 2012 at 05:20 PM
Do you think they are trained by their media to act that way? They just repeat and most the time literally reenact the infotainment they've tune to emotions and all. Mean and nasty isn't about making people feel welcome to have an opinion. They don't want to hear others opinions every response is to shout them down.
Bob August 25, 2012 at 05:20 PM
Ryan, comments like that just creates more animosity. You are entitled to your opinion, but since you are obviously a dem and the polls are showing both candidates at a dead heat you should show some humility. As I have mentioned before, I dont vote strictly party anymore and it wasnt because some liberal was shouting insults or taunting. Ever since "W" brought down this country, I do my own research to cut through the crap and its unfortunate that the MOST UNBIASED AND INFORMATIVE ARTICLES are from OUTSIDE the U.S. I found this one to be a particular eye opener to anyone on either side and I encourage anyone to check it out. www.guardian.co.uk/.../did-republicans-deliberately-crash-us-econo... If this new Republican party doesnt have my best interest in mind, then its not my party. I will wait until I can get a real Repubican back in office. Until then, my vote is going to be on an election to election basis. As for this election, I havent made up my mind yet. Dems like you dont help your cause, if anything it hurts it.
Renae Wilber August 25, 2012 at 05:20 PM
Amen Ryan. Seems it's okay for one to proudly stereotype and harshly judge a small segment of the needy while representing all needy as being of the same caliber (oh those ill living welfare recipients!) (while simultaneously and righteously boasting that they serve the needy), but to call them on their Christian hypocrisy makes me foul. Unfortunately, my words were lost on deaf ears...too complex of a concept to break it down to an elementary level for the holy rolling right.
W August 25, 2012 at 05:34 PM
How can you pretend you are being victimized by someone with an opinion that differs from yours? You either have portrayed your self as the abuser or the victim in every post. You have that FOX sickness.
W August 25, 2012 at 05:51 PM
Bob when someone points out how your politics fail your country you attack them and not what they are saying. BTW you have been steaming about this article for more than two months.
Tim August 25, 2012 at 06:09 PM
What is your obsession with Fox News? Do you work for media matters and get paid $8 an hour to watch Fox all day long? Seriously, it's a little creepy at this point.
Tim August 25, 2012 at 06:22 PM
Ryan, if you hate dissenting views, perhaps you are the one that should move. There are a number of places in this world that share your left wing views and don't allow dissent. How about North Korea, or perhaps your pal Michael Moore's "Island Paradise" of Cuba? I think you'd be very happy... no corporate jets, health coverage for everyone (no actual health CARE, but lets not split hairs)... no heartless trickle down economics... no sir, they build from the bottom up, just like Obama wants... trickle up poverty for all.
Beau Hunk August 25, 2012 at 08:25 PM
Uh... That is a nom de plume, ya know.
Renae Wilber August 25, 2012 at 08:34 PM
...and to think for a moment there I thought your parents played a nasty trick on you...but I am truly disappointed that you are not a "real" Hunk. :P
Leah Hall August 26, 2012 at 03:07 AM
So says the Liberalist rag, Forbes... http://www.forbes.com/sites/rickungar/2012/05/24/who-is-the-smallest-government-spender-since-eisenhower-would-you-believe-its-barack-obama/
James Nelson August 26, 2012 at 03:56 PM
Although I was born in America I do not feel any Allegiance to this Country. I tried for years to fit in and there was always something gnawing in the pit of my Stomach. I suppose it's the fact I'm part Canadian or Part Scottish but American Ideals just seem really dumb to me. If I do move anywhere, I'd say New Zealand as it's a Land which reflects my many Oddities and hey I can screw any Sheep I find, that's a plus! Alas, you don't know me so you wouldn't "get it" but the very fact I was born in this crap Country means to some extent that I am an American no matter how much I wish I wasn't. So you see, you Phuckers are stuck with me! I don't run away from life's Misfortunes and confront them head on. I digress... American Politics are USELESS, while you fight and bicker over stupid shit that doesn't matter in the rest of the World, everyone else is pointing and laughing at us "Stupid Americans". Great Job!
Dan Arnhem August 26, 2012 at 04:34 PM
332 comments, Calif presidential race already decided It was over months ago. It was over a year ago. I know it isn't as easy or sexy to talk about other races where you might actually have some impact, but you really need to spend your energy on something where what you say might make a difference. Of course, if you have a extra $100,000 to send to Barak or MItt, then perhaps you can have a tiny tiny impact in one of those 7 states that are in play. Yes, each side is going to spend the bulk of their 1 billion dollars in those 7 states, trying to influence those middle 10% who are undecided. Probably less than 5 million people who need to decide the outcome. NONE of those 5 million live in California. So, turn your attention to legislative races, supervisorial races, city council races, and the endless list of propositions. Example, the Pete Stark, vs Swalwell race. Could be close. Or the nightmare prospect of Mary Hayashi sneaking into a win in the special election for Alameda Co. Supervisor, Dist. 2.... (in a special election, Hayashi, arrested for felony shoplifting last Oct. could win with only 30% of the vote, despite being on 30 months probation.) So find a local election where what you say matters. Stop debating the presidential election where NOTHING you say will have any effect.
W August 26, 2012 at 05:50 PM
Doing nothing to change the candor only perpetuates those who project their "authentic American vs. them" arguments into the every facet of political dialog. Every "vs. them" political perspective re-aligns the injustice of the situation back to the person delivering the narrative. This is how bullies act when they justify their behavior and it can not be tolerated. I agree with you, but unfortunately we have to wait for the day people stop getting their perspective from media that delivers it's content to foment so much rage "vs. them" .
Albert Rubio August 26, 2012 at 07:06 PM
I don't think we have to wait to have better debate, and there is no way to make media orthodox, nor should we try. In my view one must unilaterally elevate themselves in reading, writing, rhetoric, logic and logical fallacies after the model of classical education IMO. Dorothy Sayers explained quite convincingly for the need of this approach in her essay "The Lost Tools of Learning" www.gbt.org/text/sayers.html If a viewpoint is wrong, one must bear the intellectual burden to explain a) why it is wrong and b) what is correct and take the view that reason dictates. This is why one's right to an opinion is never the point, or refusing to support one's opinion is just evasion. It's like a court case. It is always side x vs. side y and each makes the strongest case they can. The purpose of debate is to determine on which side lies the most truth of a proposition.
John Esmeyer September 06, 2012 at 01:21 AM
I do agree with Dan's post that we need to talk about our local politians and vote in responsible politians with fiscal responsibilities if not we will be like many other cities in this State tipping on bankruptcy or are bankrupt. We can have many opinions on social issues but we must do it by living within our means. The more jobs we have the more tax revenue the cities get, the more cities get, the more social programs we can have and the more police, fireman, and teachers we can hire. So we need more jobs from private sector from small businesses to large factories.


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